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Historical records and family trees related to Joseph Vann Chief. It made my Master mad, but dey didn't belong to him no more and he couldn't say nothing. And dishes, they had rows and rows of china dishes; big blue platters that would hold a whole turkey. I got all the clothes I need from old Mistress, and in winter I had high top shoes with brass caps on the toe. There was a big dinner bell in the yard. Dey tole me some of dem was bad on negroes but I never did see none of dem night riding like some say dey did. The big house was made of log and stone and had big mud fireplaces. My mother Betsy Vann, worked in the big house for the missus. You see, I'se one of them sudden cases. They got on the horses behind the men and went off. They was Cherokee Indians. He passed away on 21 Feb 1809 in Shot at Buffington Tavern, GA, USA. She bossed all the other colored women and see that they sew it right. My names' Lucinda Vann, I've been married twice but that don't make no difference. Lucinda Vann tells an unusual story of plantation life from the perspective of a house slave who was born with privileges. The only song I remember from the soldiers was" "Hang Jeff Davis to a Sour Apple Tree," and I remember that because they said he used to be at Fort Gibson one time. Joseph and his sister Mary were children of James Vann and Nannie Brown, both mixed-blood Cherokees. Rich Joe Vann died in Oct. 1844 when the boiler exploded on his steamboat, the "Lucy Walker" during a race with another vessel near New Albany, Ind. I believe it is the same person.) He come from across the water when he was a little boy, and was grown when old Master Joseph Vann bought him, so he never did learn to talk much Cherokee. Sometimes they fish in the Illinois river, sometimes in the Grand, but they always fish the same way. When crop was laid by de slaves jest work round at dis and dat and keep tol'able busy. We got letters all the time form Indians back in the territory. No nails in none of dem nor in de chairs and tables. If somebody bad sick he git de doctor right quick, and he don't let no negroes mess around wid no poultices and teas and sech things, like cupping-horns neither! We settled down a little ways above Fort Gibson. Do you know what I am going to do? He was a Cherokee leader who owned Diamond Hill (now known as the Chief Vann House), many slaves, taverns, and steamboats that he operated on the Arkansas, Mississippi, Ohio, and Tennessee Rivers. There'd be a whole wagon-load of things come and be put on the tree. Born in Spring Place, Murray, Georgia, United States on 11 Feb 1765 to John Joseph 'Indian Trader' Cherokee Vann and WahLi Wa-Wli aka Polly Otterlifter Mary Christiana Otterlifter Wolf Clan. Lots of the slave children didn't ever learn to read or write. Sometimes we got to ride on one, cause we belonged to Old Jim Vann. Joseph married Jennie Vann (born Doublehead) on date. I wore a stripedy shirt till I was about 11 years old and den one day while we was down in the Choctaw Country old Mistress see me and nearly fall off her horse. See other search results for Chief Joseph David VANN Ready to discover your family story? Our marshal made us all sign up like this; who are you, where you come from, where you go to. sse Vann, James Clement Jr. Vann, Mary Vann, Delila Copeland (born Vann), John Vann, John Vann, Joseph Vann, John Vann, Mary Vann, Robert sse Vann, James Clement Jr. Vann, Mary Vann, Delila Copeland (born Vann), John Vann, John Vann, Joseph H Vann, John Vann, Mary Vann, Robe James (Ti-ka-lo-hi) (James Wahli Vann Etc. When we wanted to go anywhere we always got a horse, we never walked. Old Master Joe was a big man in the Cherokees, I hear, and was good to his negroes before I was born. After de War was over, Old Master tell me I am free but he will look out after me cause I am just a little negro and I ain't got no sense. Marster had a big Christmas tree, oh great big tree, put on the porch. Mammy went to a mean old man named Pepper Goodman and he took her off down de river, and pretty soon Mistress tell me she died cause she can't stand de rough treatment. When the Vanns were forced from their Spring Place home in 1834, they took many slaves with them when they fled to safety in Tennessee. Clarinda Vann and my aunt Maria turned the keys to the vault and commissary. Mammy and pappy belong to W.P. I joined the Catholic church after the war. Mr. Reese had a big flock of peafowls dat had belonged to Mr. Scott and I had to take care of demWhitefolks. Marr. In the summer I wear them on Sunday, too. She won me lots of money, Black Hock did, and I kept it in the Savings Bank in Tahlequah. Old Mistress cried jest like any of de rest of us when de boat pull out with dem on it. The Cherokees living in the southeastern United States copied many of the traditions and practices of their white neighborsincluding the ownership of fellow humans as slaves. That meant she want a biscuit with a little butter on it. Some had been in a big run-away and had been brung back, and wasn't so good, so he keep them on the boat all the time mostly. Someone maybe would be playing a fiddle or a banjo. Some 70 years after "the War," during America's Great Depression, the Works Progress Administration assigned numerous people to interview former slaves and record their recollections of slavery. He didn't want em to imagine he give one more than he give the other. Pappa got the soldier fever from being in the War; no, I don't mean like the chills and fever, but just a fever to be in the army, I guess for he joined the regular U.S. Army after a while, serving five years in the 10th Cavalry at Fort Sill during the same time John Adair of Tahelquah and John Gallagher of Muskogee was in the army. Lord no, he didn't. Nearly a century later (in 1932), Joseph Vann's grandson, R. P. Vann, told author Grant Foreman that Joseph Vann had built a house about a mile south of Webbers Falls (Oklahoma) "a handsome homebuilt just like the old Joe Vann home in Georgia." My uncle used to baptize 'em. He used to take us to where Hyde Park is and we'd all go fishin'. We lived there a long time, and I was old enough to remember setting in the yard watching the river (Grand River) go by, and the Indians go by. Soon as you come out of the water you go over there and change clothes. When the white folks danced the slaves would all sit or stand around and watch. Joseph Vann, son of Chief Joseph Vann and his wife Margaret Scott Vann, married first, Jennie Springton, born December 23, 1804, died August 4, 1863. A bunch of us who was part Indian and part colored, we got our bed clothes together some hams and a lot of coffee and flour and started to Mexico. Snow on the ground and the water was muddy and all full of pieces of ice. Every dollar she make on the track, I give it to Lucy." I would have to go tromp seven miles to Mr. Scott's house two or three times a week to bring back some old peafowl dat had got out and gone back to de old place! He said that those troops burned the Vann home during their pillage. They taken some of their slaves with them. Smoeone call our names and everybody get a present. I slept on a sliding bed. If someone they didn't want to have it try to dig it up, money sink down, down deep in the ground where they couldn't get it. Some of the old chief's names was Gopher John, John Hawk and Wild Cat. It was tied up at de dock at Webbers Falls about a week and we went down and talked to my aunt an brothers and sister. Snow on the ground and the water was muddy and all full of pieces of ice. She was weavin when the case came up so quick, missus Jennie put her in her own bed and took care of her. In winter white folks danced in the parlor of the big house; in summer they danced on a platform under a great big brush arbor. We went on a place in de Red River Bottoms close to Shawneetown and not far from de place where all de wagons crossed over to go into Texas. Vous tes ici : breaking news cass county mi; bp trading and shipping development program salary; chief vann family tree . Morris Sheppard was owned by a Cherokee named Joe Sheppard. Dey would come up in a bunch of about nine men on horses and look at all our passes, and if a negro didn't have no pass dey wore him out good and made him go home. We stayed here till everything got fixed up, then we went back to Mexico. Dey only had two families of slaves wid about twenty in all, and dey only worked about fifty acres, so we sure did work every foot of it good. Joseph Vann, the son of Chief James Vann and his wife Margaret Scott Vann, was a lad of 12 when his father was killed, in 1809. 5, Special Issue: American Culture and the American Frontier (Winter, 1981), pp. Mammy work late in the night, and I hear the loom making noises while I try to sleep in the cabin. There was a bugler and someone callled the dances. De furniture is all gone, and some said de soldiers burned it up for firewood. They'd sell 'em to folks at picnics and barbecues. In ever did see no money neither, until time of de War or a little before. I been a good Christian ever since I was baptized, but I keep a little charm here on my neck anyways to keep me from having the nose bleed. She won me lots of money, Black Hock did, and I kept it in the Savings Bank in Tahlequah. Lord yes, su-er. Everything was fine, Lord have mercy on me, yes. Original newspaper article says captain/owner of the steamboat was David Vann. Its inception resulted from many trends in European society, culture, and diplomacy during the late 19th century. The white folks go first and after they come out, the colored folks go in. There was five hundred slaves on that plantation and nobdy ever lacked for nothing. Missus Jenni lived in a big house in Webbers Fall.s Don't know where the other one lived. The place was all woods, and the Cherokees and the soldiers all come down to see the baptizing. My husband didn't give me nothing. [Note from curator: these slave narratives are not under copyright]. The slaves had a pretty easy time I think. Numerous others had previously gone to Oklahoma when their masters voluntarily relocated. I go to this house, you come to my house. One year later my sister Phyllis was born on the same place and we been together pretty much of the time ever since, and I reckon dere's only one thing that could separate us slave born children. Web. Seem like it take a powerful lot of fighting to rid the country of them Rebs. I'd like to go where we used to have picnics down below Webbers Falls. I wore loom cloth clothes, dyed in copperas what the old Negro women and the old Cherokee women made. They'd clap their hands and holler. Yes, Lord Yes. He wouldn't take us way off, but just for a ride. Yes, my dear Lord yes. I'se born across the river in the plantation of old Jim Vann in Webbers Falls. Dey would come in de night and hamstring de horses and maybe set fire to de barn, and two of em named Joab Scarrel, and Tom Starr killed my pappy one night just before the War broke out. Everybody had fine clothes everybody had plenty to eat. My marster and missus buried their money and valuables everywhere. I've heard em tell of rich Joe Vann. The preacher took his candidate into the water. My father was born in Tahlequah just about where the colored church stands on Depot Hill. Joseph married Wah Wli Vann (born Otterlifter). He and Master took race horses down the river, away off and they'd come back with sacks of money that them horses won in the races. They was so many of us for dat little field we never did have to work hard. 29 November 2015. http://www.accessgenealogy.com/black-genealogy/slave-narrative-of-b - Last updated on Aug 24th, 2012, VANN SLAVES REMEMBER 2003 By Herman McDaniel Murray County Museum. Christmas lasted a whole month. They wanted everybody to know we was Marster Vann's slaves. Little hog, big hog, didn't make no difference. Our clothes was home-made---cotton in the summer, mostly just a long-tailed shirt and no shoes, and wood goods in the winter. Pretty soon everybody commenced a singing and a prayin'. Among the several hundred slaves owned by the Vanns at that time, many were skilled craftsmen and tradesmen capable of helping build such a fine house. Cherokee tribes are native to the North American continent. Pappy was the shoe-maker and he used wooden pegs of maple to fashion the shoes. We had bonnets that had long silk tassels for ties. This was before the war. Sometimes us children would try to follow her, but she'd turn us around pretty quick and chase us back with: "Go on back to the house or the wolves get you.". I don't know what he done after that. Joseph and his sister Mary were children of James Vann and Nannie Brown, both Cherokee of mixed-blood, with partial European ancestry. It was in the Grand River close to the ford, and winter time. However, the following narrative by the ex-slave, Cornelius Neely Nave, contains correct family relationships. I wouldn't go, so he sent Isaac and Joe Vann dat had been two of Old Captain Joe's negroes to talk to me. He took us back to Texas right down near where I was born at Bellview. Sometimes Joe bring other wife to visit Missus Jennie. Now I'se just old forgotten woman. Indians wouldn't allow their slaves to take their husband's name. She come up and put her nose on your just like this---nibble nibble, nibble. Black Hock was awful attached to the kitchen. We take a big pot to fry fish in and we'd all eat till we nearly bust. His grandfather was Clement Vann, a Scottish trader who moved from Charleston, South Carolina, to the Cherokee lands in northwest Georgia and married Wa-wli, a Cherokee Indian. Brown sugar, molasses, flour, corn-meal, dried beans, peas, fruits butter lard, was all kept in big wooden hogsheads; look something like a tub. Elizabeth Scott; parents of Delilah Vann; married Nancy Brown; parents of Mary b. One time old Master and another man come and took some calves off and Pappy say old Master taking dem off to sell I didn't know what sell meant and I ast Pappy is he going to bring em back when he git through selling them. Everybody a hollerin' and a cryin'. Yes Lord yes. Old Master and Mistress kept on asking me did de night riders persecute me any but dey never did. Young, Mary., "The Cherokee Nation: Mirror of the Republic", (American Quarterly), Vol. Women came in satin dresses, all dressed up, big combs in their hair, lots of rings and bracelets. (Note: Can we assume this is the same Joseph Vann that was given 150 acres below Keg Creek on the Savannah River (Dec 1764).It is 9 years later and there are 4 more children. By and by I married Nancy Holdebrand what lived on Greenleaf Creek, bout four miles northwest of Gore. National Express. He passed away on 21 Feb 1809 in Shot at Buffington Tavern, GA, USA. Some of the Indian families was Joe Dirt Eater, Six Killer (some of the Six Killers live a few miles SE of Afton at this time, 1938), Chewey Noi, and Gus Buffington. Joseph Vann took the rebel slaves belonging to him out of the Cherokee Nation and permanently assigned them to work on his steamboats. The spring time give us plenty of green corn and beans too. I dont know, but that was before my time. The last one was named for Hubbard Ross; he was related to Chief John Ross and was some kin to Daniel Nave, my father's master. We had a smoke house full of hams and bacon. Old Master Joe had a mighty big farm and several families of Negroes, and he was a powerful rich man. He'd take us and enjoy us, you know. Sometime Young Master Joe and the other boys give me a piece of money and say I worked for it, and I reckon I did for I have to cook five or six times a day. The married folks lived in little houses and there was big long houses for all the single men. He jest kept him and he was a good Negro after that. After the explosion someone found an arm up in a tree on the bank of the river. He worked in the gold mines. They had fine furniture that Marster Vann had brought home in a steamboat from far away. One night a runaway negro come across form Texas and he had de blood hounds after him. When Marster Jim and Missus Jennie went away, the slaves would have a big dance in the arbor. When he get home he call my uncle and ask about what we done all day and tell him what we better do de next day. Because I'se so little, Missus Jennie took me into the Big house and raised me. In one month you have to get back. "We'd say "Come on buffalo", and it would come to us. Sometimes there was high waters that spoiled the current and the steamboats couldn't run. We put all the bed clothes on its back. In slavery time the Cherokee negroes do like anybody else when they is a death---jest listen to a chapter in the Bible and all cry. The 1860 Census records for Oklahoma (the last Census of the slavery era), indicates that the Cherokees held 4,600 Negro slaves; the Chickasaws owned 975; the Choctaws owned, 2,344; the Creeks held 1,532; and the Seminoles reportedly owned 500. I've seen em. They wanted everybody to know we was Marster Vann's slaves. Us Cherokee slaves seen lots of green corn shootings and de like of dat but we never had no games of our own. The Vanns later relocated to Indian Territory, present-day Oklahoma. http://www.timcdfw.com/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I7805&tree= Joseph Vann removed to the West in 1836. It was bad, oh it was bad. Explore historical records and family tree profiles about Joseph Vann Chief on MyHeritage, the world's family history network. Pretty soon all de young Cherokee menfolks all gone off to de War, and de Pins was riding round all de time, and it ain't safe to be in dat part around Webber's Falls so old Master take us all to Fort Smith where they was a lot of Confederate soldiers. We never had no school in slavery and it was agin' the law for anybody to even show a negro de letters and figures, so no Cherokee slave could read. Master went plumb blind after he move back to Webber's Falls and so he move up on de Illinois River, about three miles from de Arkansas, and there old Mistress take de white swelling and die and den he die pretty soon. Dey kept after me about a year, but I didn't go anyways. They rendezvoused with other slaves who had agreed to participate in the revolt, stole horses to ride to their freedom, then broke into a store to steal guns, ammunition, food, and supplies they needed for their planned escape to Mexicowhere slavery was illegal. Everybody cry, everybody'd pretty nearly die. Olia Lee Clifton, 91, passed . When the war come they have a big battle away west of us, but I never see any battles. Some had been in a big run-away and had been brung back, and wasnt so good, so he keep them on the boat all the time mostly. But we couldn't learn to read or have a book, and the Cherokee folks was afraid to tell us about the letters because they have a law you go to jail and a big fine if you show a slave about the letters. They'd clap their hands and holler. When Marster Jim and Missus Jennie went away, the slaves would have a big dance in the arbor. I had a silver dime on it, too, for along time, but I took it off and got me a box of snuff. In the morning we got up early, made a fire, and made a big pot of coffee. One of the Six Killer women was mighty good to us and we called her "mammy", that a long time after my mammy die though. Lord have mercy I'll say they was. 1795(Chas.Fox Taylor)(John Stidham,Sr. Bus operators. Then the preacher put you under water three times. Next came the carpenters, yard men, blacksmiths, race-horse men, steamboat men and like that. I never would hear much about the war that my father was in, but I know he fought for the North. Its massive walls and hand-carved woodwork show excellent workmanship, and its unique hanging staircase is a marvel that piques the interest of many visitors. I lost my land trying to live honest and pay my debts. The most terrible thing that ever happen was when the Lucy Walker busted and Joe got blew up. In slavery time the Cherokee Negroes do like anybody else when they is a death, jest listen to a chapter in the Bible and all cry. The participants in this near slave revolt received physical punishments, but none were killed. Coming out of the army for the last time, Pappa took all the family and moved to Fort Scott, Kansas, but I guess he feel more at home wid the Indians for pretty soon we all move back, this time to a farm near Fort Gibson. When dat Civil War come along I was a pretty big boy and I remember it good as anybody. Yes, my dear Lord yes. In summer when it was hot, the slaves would sit in the shade evenings and make wooden spoons out of maple. At the time that the interviews were conducted, the Vanns had been gone from Georgia for more than 100 yearsconsequently none of the slaves the Vanns owned in Spring Place were still alive. I never forget when they sold off some more negroes at de same time, too and put dem all in a pen for de trader to come and look at. I don't remember old Mistress name. He moved his family to this location and resided there two or three years, until he could establish himself in the west. Joseph also inherited his father's gold and deposited over $200,000 in gold in a bank in Tennessee. Marster never whipped no one. Perdue, Theda, "The Conflict Within: The Cherokee Power Structure and Removal," Georgia Historical Quarterly, 73 (Fall, 1989), pp. The engineer's name was Jim Vann. It look lots of clothes for all them slaves. We had out time to go to bed and our time to get up in the morning. When Mammy went old Mistress took me to de Big House to help her and she was kind to me like I was part of her own family. When we wanted to go anywhere we always got a horse, we never walked. Master give me over to de National Freedmen's bureau and I was bound out to a Cherokee woman name Lizzie McGee. Malone, Henry Thompson, Cherokees of the Old South: A People in Transition, University of Georgia Press, (1956), ISBN 0670034207. I raised eleven children just on de sweat of my hands and none of dem ever tasted anything dat was stole. How did they hear about it at home? I sure did love her. When the white folks danced the slaves would all sit or stand around and watch. and. Although Lucinda Vann was owned by Jim Vann, she told about the death of "Rich Joe" Vann and the recovery of one of his arms, following the deadly explosion on his steamboat, the Lucy Walker. Some of us had money. The second time I married a cousin, Rela Brewer. A few days later they caught up with the slaves, still in Indian Territory. Two year old when my mamma died so I remember nothing of her, and most of my sisters and brothers dead too. Just 'bout two weeks before the coming of Christmas Day in 1853, I was born on a plantation somewheres eight miles east of Bellview, Rusk County, Texas. Everything was kept covered and every hogshead had a lock. After several days of pursuit, the Indians caught up with the escaped slaves and a heated battle inflicted casualties on both sides. They was Cherokee Indians. I dont know about Robert Lee, but I know about Lees Creek. She bossed all the other colored women and see that they sew it right. Marster Jim and Missus Jennie wouldn't let his house slaves go with no common dress out. The cooks would bake hams, turkey cakes and pies and there'd be lots to eat and lots of whiskey for the men folks. I don't know how old I is; some folks say I'se ninety-two and some say I must be a hundred. In the pre-dawn hours of November 15, 1842, the Negroes locked their still-sleeping masters and overseers in their homes. Young Master Vann never very hard on us and he never whupped us, and old Mistress was a widow woman and a good Christian and always kind. Everybody had plenty to eat and plenty to throw away. So many years had passed since slavery ended that most of the former slaves then available for interviews had been born very near the end of the slavery era. This is a reconstruction of the non-Indian immediate relatives of Chief James Vann, based on the solid evidence of Cherokee sources (especially the Moravian Diaries at Spring Place,GA 1800-1836), plus confirming information obtained from postings on the Vann Family Forum: This valuable property became a prize for the white man when the laws of Georgia were extended over the Cherokee Nation. Everbody goin' on races gamblin', drinkin', eatin', dancin', but it as all behavior everything all right. Lots of soldiers around all the time though. I remember when the steamboats went up and down the river. Young Joseph was his father's favorite child and primary recipient of his father's estate and wealth. My missus name was Doublehead before she married Jim Vann. Cal Robertson was eighty-nine years old when I married him forty years ago, right on this porch. One day young Master come to the cabins and say we all free and cant' stay there lessn we want to go on working for him just like we'd been for our feed, an clothes. She dye with copperas and walnut and wild indigo and things like dat and made pretty cloth. He was a slave on the Chism plantation, but came to Vann's all the time on account of the hourses. My brothers was name Sone and Frank. We went by Webber's Falls and filled de wagons. 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