I dont even mourn him, just all matter-of-. "On Being," a weekly interview show about the mysteries of human existence, hosted by Krista Tippett, airs on nearly 400 public radio stations, with more than half a million weekly listeners . So maybe just to use a natural world metaphor to just dip our toes into the water, would you read Sanctuary? Theres how I stand in the lawn, thats one way. On Being, which began on public radio, has been named a best podcast by The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, The Guardian, the Webbys, iHeart Radio with more than 400 million downloads. , and she teaches in the MFA program at Queens University of Charlotte, in North Carolina. We want to do that where we live, and we want to do it walking alongside others.. Ive been reading Ada Limn for years, and was so happy when she was named the 24th Poet Laureate of the United States. Limn: Because I love this poem, and no one has ever asked me to read this poem. Silence, which we dont get enough of. I feel like theres so many elements to that discovery. Alice Parker is a wise and joyful thinker and writer on this truth, and has been a hero in the universe of choral music as a composer . And actually, it seemed to me that your marriage was in fine shape. Musings and tools to take into your week. And just as there are callings for a life, there are callings for our time. Come back, I remember writing this poem because I really love the word lover, and its a kind of polarizing word. I love it. An electric conversation with Ada Limns wisdom and her poetry a refreshing, full-body experience of how this way with words and sound and silence teaches us about being human at all times, but especially now. of the world is both gaze So I love it when I feel like the conversations Im having start to be in conversation with each other. Yeah, Ive got a lot of feelings moving through me. Tippett: And also, I read somewhere that Sundays were a day that you were moving back and forth between your two homes, your parents divorced and everybody remarried. Tippett: I chose a couple of poems that you wrote again that kind of speak to this. Jen Bailey, and so many of you. unpoisoned, the song thats our birthright. We offer it here as an audio experience, and we think you will enjoy being in . Actually, thats in. Winters icy hand at the back of all of us. joy, foundational, that brief kinship of hold No, question marks. I think coming back to this idea that poetry is as embodied as it is linguistic. All came, and still comes, from the natural world. us, still right now, a softness like a worn fabric of a nightshirt, and what I do not say is: I trust the world to come back. between us there was the road And its continual and that it hits you sometimes. and I never knew survival My body is for me.. And isnt it strange that breathing is something that we have to get better at? bliss before you know And Im not sure Ive had a conversation across all these years that was a more unexpected and exuberant mix of gravity and laughter laughter of delight, and of blessed relief. A season of big, new, beautiful On Being conversations is here. And then there are times in a life, and in the life of the world, where only a poem perhaps in the form of the lyrics of a song, or a half sentence we ourselves write down can touch the mystery of ourselves, and the mystery of others. Its Spanish and English, and Im trying, and Ill look at him and be like, How much degrees is it?. That its not my neighborhood, and they look beautiful. And so thats really a lot of how I was raised. So I think were going to just have a lot of poetry tonight. So my interest, when I get into conversation with a poet, is not to talk, poetry, but to delve into what this way with words and sound and silence teaches us. I think thats very true. The truth is, Ive never cared for the National, Anthem. Tippett: Were back at the natural world of metaphors and belonging. , the galley in the mail from Milkweed. And I love it, but I think that you go to it, as a poet, in an awareness of not only its limitations and its failures, but also very curious about where you can push it in order to make it into a new thing. I feel like the short poem, maybe read that one, the After the Fire poem is such a wonderful example of so much of what weve been talking about, how poetry can speak to something that is impossible to speak about. I never go there very much anymore. A special offering from Krista Tippett and all of us at On Being: an incredible, celebratory event listening back and remembering forwards across 20 years of this show in the good company of our beloved friend and former guest, Rev. And I think Id just like to end with a few more poems. Yeah. I just saw her. And I always thought it was just because I had to work. And to not have that bifurcated for a moment. Is where that poem came from. Tippett: Yeah. It began as "Speaking of Faith" in July 2003, and was renamed On Being in 2010. This conversational nature of reality indeed, this drama of vitality is something we have all been shown, willing or unwilling, in these years. Mosaque Liste Walking in Wonder Eternal Wisdom for a Modern World - ebook (ePub) John Quinn . Poems all come to me differently. And were at a new place, but we have to carry and process that. A season of big, new, beautiful On Being conversations is here. Yeah. And there are times where I think people have said as a child, Oh, you come from a broken home. And I remember thinking, Its not broken, its just bigger. It is still the wind. And I want you to read it. [laughs] I get four parents that come to the school nights. And I felt like I was not brave enough to own that for myself. rolling their trash bins out, after all of this is over? And I know that when I discovered it for myself as a teenager that I thought, Oh, this is more like music where its like something is expressing itself to you and you are expressing yourself to it. And I remember sitting on my sofa where I spent an inordinate amount of time, and reading it. And it feels important to me whenever Im in a room right now and I havent been in that many rooms with this many people sitting close together that we all just acknowledge that even if we all this exact same configuration of human beings had sat in this exact room in February 2020, and were back now, were changed at a cellular level. I was like, Oh. Then I came downstairs and I was like, Lucas, Im never going to get to be Poet Laureate.. And its funny to tell people that youre raised an atheist because theyre like, Really? But I was. So I think there was a lot of, not only was it music, but then it was music in Spanish. It is the world and the trees and the grasses and the birds looking back. Krista Tippett. This means that I am in a reciprocal relationship with the natural world, not that it is my job to be the poet that goes and says, Tree, I will describe it to you. [audience laughs] I have a lot of poems that basically are that. Okay, Im going to give you some choices. Yeah, I was convinced. And Im sure it does for many of you, where you start to think about a phrase or a word comes to you and youre like, Is that a word? Youre like, With. Alice Parker Singing Is the Most Companionable of Arts. Im really longing I realized as I was preparing for this, Im just Of course, I read poetry, I read a lot of poetry in these last years, but I realized Im craving hearing poetry. Dont get me wrong, I do, like the flag, how it undulates in the wind. I was actually born at home. Tippett: I do feel like you were one of the people who was really writing with care and precision and curiosity about what we were going through. I was so fascinated when I read the earlier poem. I think I enjoy getting older. We speak the language of questions. And enough so that actually, as I would always sort of interrogate her about her beliefs and, Do you think this, do you think that? But at a deeper level, she says, we are trapped in a pattern of distress known as high conflict where the conflict itself has become the point, and it sweeps everything into its vortex. She trained as a doctor in a generation that understood death as a failure of medicine. I dont expect you to have the page number memorized. And I think there was this moment where I was like, Oh, Im just sort of living to see what happens next. And the grief is also giving me a reason to get up. And coming in future weeks, is a conversation with a technologist and artist named James Bridle, whose point is that language itself, the sounds we made and the words we finally formed, and the imagery and the metaphors were all primally, organically rooted in the natural world of which we were part. Limn: I think the failure of language is what really draws me to poetry in general. And I wonder if you think about your teenage self, who fell in love with poetry. I wonder if Im here again today or in a new place. And that was really essential to my practice of who I was as a creative person in the middle of such an enormous tragedy. Its still the elements. enough chiaroscuro, enough of thus and prophecy Limn: When I lived in New York City, my two best friends, I would always try to get them to go to yoga with me. And it is definitely wine country and all of the things that go along with that. thats sung in silence when its too hard to go on, What follows is the transcript of an On Being interview between Krista Tippett and Andrew Solomon, Parker Palmer and Anita Barrows. Why that color? The conversation of this hour always rises as an early experience that imprinted everything that came after at On Being. And then I would say in terms of the sacred, it was always the natural world. And this poem was basically a list of all the poems I didnt think I could write, because it was the early days of the pandemic, and I kept thinking, just that poetry had kind of given up on me, I guess. And even as it relieves us of the need to sum everything up. the trash, the rolling containers a song of suburban thunder. A dream. that sounds like someones rough fingers weaving 4.07 avg rating 5,187 ratings published 2016 20 editions. We are located on Dakota land. These, it turns out, are as common in human life globally as they are measurably health-giving and immunity-boosting. She founded and leads the On Being Project ( www.onbeing.org )a groundbreaking media and public life . And sometimes when youre going through it, you can kind of see the mono-crop of vineyards that its become. I never go there very much anymore. Every Thursday a new discovery about the immensity of our lives and frequent special features like poetry, music and Q + A with Krista. as you said, to give instruction or answers, where to give answers would be to disrespect the gravity of the questions. The conversation that resulted with the Jewish-Buddhist teacher and psychotherapist Sylvia Boorstein has been a companion to her and to many from that day forward. So it felt right to listen again to one of our most beloved shows of this post-2020 world. You boiled it down. Tippett has interviewed guests ranging from poets to physicists, doctors to historians, artists to activists. This is a gift. And that reframing was really important to me. We want to rise to what is beautiful and life-giving. Yet whats most stunning is how presciently and exquisitely Ocean spoke, and continues to speak, to the world we have since come to inhabit its heartbreak and its poetry, its possibilities for loss and for finding new life. We just ask questions. of the kneeling and the rising and the looking So anyway, I got The Hurting Kind, the galley in the mail from Milkweed. But I also feel a little bit out of practice with this live event thing. Seems like a good place for a close-eyed body. and the world. And so I gave up on it. No, really I was. And the next one is Dead Stars. Which follows a little bit in terms of how do we live in this time of catastrophe that also calls us to rise and to learn and to evolve. I write. Tippett: Ada Limn is the 24th Poet Laureate of the United States. , its woven through everything. Amanda Ripley began her life as a journalist covering crime, disaster, and terrorism. what you would miss. We get curious, we interrogate, and we ask over and over again. "Right now we are in a fast river together every day there are changes that seemed unimaginable until they occurred." adrienne maree brown and others use many . So that even when youre talking about the natural world: we are of it not in it. Adventures into what can replenish and orient us in this wild ride of a time to be alive: biomimicry and the science of awe; spiritual contrarianism and social creativity; pause and poetry and more towards stretching into this world ahead with dignity . And also that phrase, as Ive aged. You say that a lot and I would like to tell you that you have a lot more aging to do. If you think about it, its not a good, song. I have a lot of poems that basically are that. This is like a self-care poem. I think there are things we all learned also. Its still the elements. This means that I am in a reciprocal relationship with the natural world, not that it is my job to be the poet that goes and says, Tree, I will describe it to you.. maybe dove, maybe dunno to be honest, too embryonic, too see-through and wee. And it often falls apart from me. And I think for all of us, kind of mark this, which is important. Journalist, National Humanities Medalist, and bestselling author Krista Tippett has created a singular space for reflection and conversation in American and global public life. Creativity. Tippett: I have your books, and theres some, too. Tippett: And poetry is absolutely this is not something I knew would happen when I started this but poetry now is at the heart of On Being, its woven through everything. With. It suddenly just falls apart, and I feel like there are moments that I travel a lot in South America, with my husband, and by the end of the second week, my brain has gone. She hosts the On Being podcast and leads The On Being Project, a non-profit media and public life initiative that pursues deep thinking and moral imagination, social courage and joy, towards the renewal of inner life, outer life, and life together. And the last voice that you hear singing at the end of our show is Cameron Kinghorn. Editor's note: This Q&A has been adapted from the podcast "Interfaith America with Eboo Patel.". It wasnt used as a tool. SHARE 'It's a hard time in the life of the world' a conversation with Krista Tippett. I love it that youre already thinking that. Yeah. And I think most poets are drawn to that because it feels like what were always trying to do is say something that cant always entirely be said, even in the poem, even in the completed poem. But he is driven by passionate callings older and deeper than his public vocation as an actor and comedian. This might be hard for some of you right here. Or call 1-800-MY-APPLE. Kalliopeia Foundation. So can we just engage in this intellectual exercise with you because its completely fascinating and Im not sure whats going on, and Id like you to tell me. lover, come back to the five-and-dime. A few years ago, Krista hosted an event in Detroit a city in flux on the theme of raising children. Replenishment and invigoration in your inbox. If you live, The On Being Project is an independent nonprofit production of The On Being Project. And to not have that bifurcated for a moment. Is where that poem came from. If you think about it, its not a good Its so interesting because I feel like one of the things as you age, as an artist, as a human being, you start to rethink the stories that people have told you and start to wonder what was useful and what was not useful. No, theres so much to enjoy. But I do think youre a bit of a So the thing is, we have this phrase, old and wise. But the truth is that a lot of people just grow old, it doesnt necessarily come with it. And so I have. We prioritize busyness. writes the word lover in a note and Im strangely, excited for the word lover to come back. Yes I am. But I trust those moments. Yeah. Before the apple tree. Limn: And hes like, Are you trying to ask me what the weather is? [laughter] Im like, Yes. Once it has been witnessed And we all have this, our childhood stories. The Adventure of Civility. A friend Alex Cochran, Deseret News. We read for sense. The great eye. Enough of osseous and chickadee and sunflower. Tacos. Because you did write a great essay called Taco Truck Saved my Marriage.. by being seen. Join our constellation of listening and living. We think were divided by issues, arguing about conflicting facts. And whats good for my body and my mental health. All of those things. I write the year, seems like a year you Rate. And its always an interesting question because I feel like my process changes and I change. So it had this kind of wonderful way of existing in an aliveness of a language, aliveness of a second language as opposed to just sort of a need to get something or to use. In fact, my mother is and was an atheist. Tippett: Because I couldnt decide which ones I wanted you to read. Krista Tippett: I really believe that poetry is something we humans need almost as much as we need water and air. Something that you reflect on a lot that I would love to just draw you out on a bit is I think people who love language the most, and work with language, also are most intensely aware of the limits of language, and thats partly why youre working so hard. Limn: Yeah. to pick with whoever is in charge. And when people describe you as a poet, theyll talk about things about intimacy and emotional sincerity and your observations of the natural world. We meet longings for justice and healing by equipping for reflection, repair, and joy. So well just be on an adventure together. That you can be joyful and you can actually be really having a wonderful time. It makes room for all of these things that can also be It holds all the truths at once too. edges of the world, smudged by mist, a squirrels. In fact, my mother is and was an atheist. Few books have been more eagerly passed from hand to hand with delight in these last years than Robin Wall Kimmerers Braiding Sweetgrass. Krista Tippett (2) Rsultats tris par. Im really longing I realized as I was preparing for this, Im just Of course, I read poetry, I read a lot of poetry in these last years, but I realized Im craving hearing poetry. Replenishment and invigoration in your inbox. [laughter] Where some of you were like, Eww, as soon as I said it. And so I think my investigation or my curiosity is not so much talking about poetry, but about where poetry comes from in us and what poetry works in us. tags: curiosity , listening , oral-history , vulnerability. People will ask me a lot about my process and it is, like I said, silence. is a murderous light, so strong. unpoisoned, the song thats our birthright, So I think were going to just have a lot of poetry tonight. Poems all come to me differently. Dacher Keltner and his Greater Good Science Center at Berkeley have been pivotal in this emergence. back and forth on Sundays and it was not easy We havent read much from, , which is a wonderful book. And I knew that at 15. On Being Studios's tracks [Unedited] Ocean Vuong with Krista Tippett by On Being Studios I feel like I could hear that response, right? And: advance invitations and news on all things On Being, of course. I have your books, and theres some, too. My mother says, Oh yeah, you say that now.. Limn: Yeah. Too high for most of us with the rockets We surface this as a companion for the frontiers we are all on just by virtue of being alive in this time. We inhabit a liminal time between what we thought we knew and what we cant quite yet see. Im really glad youre enjoying it because theres many more decades. Tippett: And then a trauma of the pandemic was that our breathing became a danger to strangers and beloveds. letter on the dresser, enough of the longing and Would you read this poem, The End of Poetry, which I feel speaks to that a bit. days a little hazy with fever and waiting And there are times where I think people have said as a child, Oh, you come from a broken home. And I remember thinking, Its not broken, its just bigger. We want to orient towards that possibility. But I want you to read it second, because what I found in Bright Dead Things, which was a couple of years before that, certainly pre-pandemic, in the before times, was the way you wrote, a way that you spoke of the same story of yourself. I will say this poem began I was telling you how poems begin and sometimes with sounds, sometimes with images This was a sound of, you know when everyone rolls out their recycling at the same time. you can keep it until its needed, until you can The bright side is not talked about. And I knew immediately that it was a love poem and a loss poem. Music: Seven League Boots by Zo Keating. And then there are times in a life, and in the life of the world, where only a poem perhaps in the form of the lyrics of a song, or a half sentence we ourselves write down can touch the mystery of ourselves, and the . I almost think that this poem could be used as a meditation. And the Q has the tail of a monkey, and weve forgotten this. And also Im so happy to be together with you in the old-fashioned flesh, which we no longer take for granted. In all kinds of lives, in all kinds of places, they are healers and social creatives. And honestly, this feels to me like if I were teaching a college class, I would have somebody read this poem and say, Discuss.. Yeah. and snowshoes, maple and seeds, samara and shoot, Yeah. Only my head is for you. Limn: Yeah, I was convinced. To be made whole/ by being not a witness,/ but witnessed. Can you say a little bit about that? At human pace, they are enlivening the world that they can see and touch. No shoes and a glossy Oh my. And whats good for my body and my mental health. All of those things. The one that always misses where Im not. I am too used to nostalgia now, a sweet escape, of age. Robin is a botanist and also a member of the Citizen Potawatomi Nation. Its the . Find them at fetzer.org. 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